Bono, the Church…Three Years Later

This was an interview with Bono – he wasn’t speaking live. Several years ago Bono told Bill Hybels that he was ticked at the American Church b/c the church did not care what was happening with AIDS. “We can’t fix everything, but what we can fix we should and there’s a lot we can fix.” Since the last time he met with Bill Hybels he said that he is amazed at what the church has done. It was the sleeping giant and it got up and ran really fast. The church is in the lead and not in the rear when it comes to helping people get the everyday drugs that they need. “There is no doubt in my mind that if the church had not woken up to the issue of aids then we wouldn’t have 2million africans on retroviral medications.” In the global village, Africa is down the lane – we are neighbors.

Where the Streets Have No Name – It’s such an amazing song even though the lyric is a bit lame and it was written really quickly. He wrote it 20 years ago in Ethiopia in a feeding station. And now people here it and are changed by it. Sometimes the best work is when you don’t know what you’re even doing. Intuition is better than intellect.

There was a story of a church trying to raise $160K for a pediatric ward in a church in Malawi. One family gave the money that they had been saving for infertility drugs. Little kids had lemonade stands, yard sales, and lots of sacrificing. When they brought the offering on Christmas Eve, they had raised over $500K. The stories shared during this portion brought tears to my eyes. I can’t articulate it in these notes. “We are a church that no longer exists for ourselves. We now exist for the world. Why did it take Bono to motivate this in our church?”

Bono asked what it says that they could not get governments to find $25 billion by 2010 to help hundreds of thousands of people who live on less than $1/day. But it took seconds to find hundreds of billions of dollars when a government bailout was needed for banks. What does this say about our world?

When I’m writing a song, people don’t want magic – they want a piece of the artist. The same is true for church – people don’t want something too lofty or intellectual – they want authenticity, honesty and a piece of the pastor. We’d be so much better as the church if we stood for things instead of against things. The church tends to separate itself from people and to pick the divisive side of things. But grace puts the divisive aside and enters in because people are more important. “You should never think that any of this stuff depends on you, but you shouldn’t be surprised when it’s hard, because there’s always resistance.”

• “I have a dream where everyone is created equal under the eyes of God. Is that just an American dream? Or an Asian dream? Or a European dream? Or is it also an African dream?”
• “All these statistics have faces, blood running through them, sisters and brothers.”
• “I believe that in 50 years when they look back on this moment, they will say, ‘now there were some people who said it is not okay to let a child die because of lack of immunizations or nourishment.’”

Bill Hybels then made some comments about the interview and with leadership as it pertains to supporting the poor

• Jesus spoke very poignantly in Mt. 25 – “whatever you did for the least of these…you did for me.”
• There’s a lot of things we have to get better at as leaders – vision casting, problem solving, leadership development, etc…but if we neglect using our leadership positions to serve the poor, we will stand accountable to Christ some day. What Bono has done is ask everybody of every faith who leads anything to do something.

Switch
These 2 brothers have 2 books, Made to Stick and Switch (which is coming out soon). This is an interview by Craig Groeschel.

Successful change comes when the leader is able to convince everyone else that change is necessary. When you find a bright spot, you study it and clone it. If this is “big problems are rarely solved with big solutions, but instead they are solved by a series of small solutions…big problems, small solutions.” You have to shrink the change.

Whatever it is that you want to change or begin, then find a way to shrink the change. As you consider the small thing that you want to do and feel yourself getting encouraged and motivated, that’s a sign that you are moving in the right direction. If you get demoralized and defeated or overwhelmed, that’s a sign that you haven’t shrunk the change small enough.

The way that you get stronger is not by avoiding failure – you actually have to work up to failure. In weight training you work up to failure. It’s the same principle in leadership – failure might be an early sign of success.

Eyewitness to Power

Served as white house advisor to 4 presidents – Nixon, Ford, Reagan and Clinton. Teaches a course at Harvard on Leadership.

He shared stories and interesting snippets from the four presidents and their great leadership qualities. Some good quotes from his interview with Bill Hybels…

• “If you want to go fast, go alone. If you want to go far, go together.”
• “Not every reader is a leader. But every leader is a reader."
• “Be the change you want to see in the world.” (Gandhi)
• ”If you lack a moral compass as a person, it will not matter how much you know, you will lose as a leader.”
• "One of the greatest dangers in leadership come from ego. You become reckless and think the rules don’t apply to you"

Bill Hybels asked him what he looks for when he goes to church…Gergen replied 3 things…

1. Inner peace
2. To learn something
3. An anchor that keeps him from hubris and gives him perspective

Dave Gibbons
Thinking Forward: Third Culture Leadership
I missed this one

Andrew Rugasira
Thinking Forward: Aid vs. Trade

Andrew is a Ugandan who has seen the shortfalls and problems with simply providing the third world with aid. He instead encourages real change through trade. He is the CEO and founder of Good African Coffee.

I had to get some Starbucks this morning and that caused us to miss most of his talk and we also missed hearing Dave Gibbons.

Wess Stafford
Leveraging Your Past
Wess is the president and CEO of Compassion International

His compassion for the poor began out of his own brokenness and tragedy. He hasn’t really ever talked about this story. He wrote a book, Too Small to Ignore and His publisher told him “They won’t care what you know until they know why you care.” His story was really difficult to share – it was about the abuse he suffered at the hands of the African boarding school he attended. They were “little sinners in the hands of an angry God.” The people reading bible stories one minute were prowling around after them the next. There was no one to protect the children.

Jessica Jackley
A Leadership Case Study: the KIVA Story

She’s founder of kiva.org – very interesting website and idea. This was an interview style. She grew up in Pittsburgh in a Presbyterian Church. Kiva works with micro-finance lenders to provide them with funds to give to the poor entrepreneurs.

Here’s how KIVA works – a person needs an average of $500 – $600 to start their business. Ordinary people lend an average of $100 and then the entrepreneur repays it typically over a period of 6-9 months. The repayment rate right now on the Kiva loan is 98.5%. The person lending and the entrepreneur are both of aware of the other.

It’s been 4 years – it has evolved somewhat during that time. 7 entrepreneurs and $3000 during the beta run. Today Kiva loans almost $5 Million per month!

Harvey Carey
Against All Odds
Ephesians 4:11-16

There’s a difference between “po” and “poor.” We looked up to poor people b/c they had the “o” and the “r.” He’s the founding pastor of the Citadel of Faith Covenant Church in Detroit – it is the poorest state in the union and the poorest zip code in the US. He’s in the poorest zip code in the poorest city in the poorest state in the US.

What do you do when faced against unsurmountable odds. You’ve got to believe that God’s word is true. When the odds are against us, God can shine the most. God is getting ready to show out – this is why we have a global economic crisis.

This text is important – God gives the church leaders. They’ve been placed in the church to equip. Instead we believe that we must hire or staff people in order to do ministry. Instead we are to staff people in order to equip. Members must take ownership of the work. The way to do this is to genuinely engage them in the work – they need the opportunity to be connected or be involved.

Your biggest and most opportune time for impact is prime time – SUNDAY. They don’t know what Sunday is going to be – we don’t announce it or they won’t come! We go out on Sundays. We spend time teaching on what we’re about to do and then we go AND DO IT! They do what’s called “Urban Camping”. Everyone loves camping. Black people don’t like to go in the woods anyway! They find the crack house or the most dangerous house and they take the men in the church – no one buys drugs while that’s happening. They shut down 8 of the roughest drug houses on a Sunday.

How does this apply to your situation. The thing that cripples us most is fear. What is the cause in your city that needs your church? You can make a difference. No matter what your scenario is, God is challenging you to move beyond your comfort zone. They delivered bibles to everyone in their zip code – ON SUNDAY MORNING!

Most leaders have the “paralysis of analysis” – you think too much. We don’t see the power of God as real because we don’t create a context for the text to be real. God will provide – when are we going to believe it? Will you leave this summit saying “God has challenged me to make a difference as a leader”?

Detroit has more churches per capita than any city in the US and yet it is one of the darkest cities in the US. There’s something wrong with that.

This guy was off the hook. Seriously provoking and engaging.

Leading People to the Prodigal God

A lack of spiritual vitality is still the problem. We have all these great ideas for how to lead the church, but we don’t have the horses to do it. A few people in the church do all the work.

Diagnosis of the Problem

The Prodigal Sons

• Prodigal originally meant reckless – not simply wayward.
• It’s not mainly written for the younger brother – it’s written to the pharisees (the religious people – us in the church)
• The main point of the parable is that both younger brothers and elder brothers are alienated from the Father and from the Father’s heart. Both are lost.
  • The younger doesn’t want the father, he wants the father’s money.
  • The elder doesn’t really love the father either – he wants the father’s money too.
• When you get to the shocking ending – and it is shocking – the younger brother is in and the elder brother is out. The bad boy is saved and the good boy is lost. He’s not lost in spite of his goodness, but because of his goodness. The gospel is something altogether different.
• How does this play out in the church? Very simple, yet scary – pharisees and gospel-centered Christians will sit next to each other in church and do all the right stuff. But one will have different motivations. Pharisees will be using God to try and get things. If you really believe the gospel, then everything a rational person could ever want is already yours.
• The source of spiritual deadness – elder brotherishness – marks of elder brotherishness -
  1. Bitterness and anger when life doesn’t go the way they want it to – b/c they believe God owes them – “how do you respond to criticism?” When elder brothers get criticized they either respond with defensiveness or it destroys them. You can’t take it. Elder brothers pray, but by and large the prayers are petitionary, but there isn’t intensity and intimacy in prayer. Elder brothers can’t forgive. You can’t stay angry and bitter at someone unless you feel superior to them.
• Until you start repenting of the reasons you do the right things you won’t have spiritual renewal. “The main thing separating you from God is not your sins, it’s your damnable good works.” You’ve got to get to that deeper level of repentance. What you need to see in the parable is what it cost to bring the younger brother back home. It was at the expense of the elder brother – atonement was costly. The young man did not have a true elder brother – but you do.
• Spiritual renewal is not something that you go and do – it has to start now on the spot!

Prescription

There are five things to go deeper to help your people see their need for the gospel.

1. The Leader has got to work this into your heart. Romans 1:16 – “he who is righteous by preaching dies a thousand deaths every Saturday night.” Don’t you realize why you overwork? Don’t you realize why criticism cripples you? You have got to get this into your own life.
2. The preacher/teacher needs to be careful to move beyond biblical principles to the gospel.
3. Get a group of leaders together and take them through a book like prodigal god and the study guide – but not like a class – like a group to begin helping your leaders work it in their hearts.
4. Work it into your congregation – either by filtering it down from your leaders or all at once.
5. Pray for this to happen.

How do you know it is working?

1. Your church will start having gracious disagreements.
2. When you have a lot of religious people coming to you and saying “I thought I was a Christian, but I realize I am not”

Hiring, Firing, and Board Meltdowns

1. Some principles for setting up the board…
• Don’t invite non members to the meeting unless the whole board has discussed the necessity of their presence.
• Board members should have influence, affluence and a particular skill set. They should not be chosen simply because they have been faithfully attending.
• The board should have terms
• You need to have a “team” dynamic and work to create intimacy.
2. Some principles for firing/hiring…
• There needs to be some evaluation system so that the person is never blind-sided.
• There has to be truth and clarity
• It’s important to have a process that people know up front.

Gary Hamel – Manage Differently Now

The most important question for any church is “are you changing as fast as the world around you?” Since 1990 the number of Americans who claim “no religious affiliation” has quadrupled.

Churches tend to get stuck in one model and when things change and the model stops working, churches tend to atrophy. The 2nd law of thermodynamics applies to organizations – “organizational entropy”. How do you overcome the gravitational pull of the past? 4 key imperatives for outrunning change:

1. Overcome the temptation to take refuge in denial. Every organization is successful until it is not! Denial has a familiar pattern – 1) Dismiss 2) Rationalize 3) Mitigate 4) Confront.
• Face the facts – find the most discomforting facts you can find and share them with everyone. Don’t pretend there is an easy solution.
• Be flexible with everything that is changeable.
• Listen to the renegades – they see what’s coming.
2. Generate more strategic strategies and new ideas
3. Demonstrate what you already do
4. No top down, autocratic culture.
• When the mental models of the leadership team depreciate, but they still have all the power, there is extreme danger for the organization. This is why you bring in an outsider to make change.
• Change comes from the bottom up, not top down.

Leading in a New Reality

Rogue Waves – all of us have been blindsided by an economic rogue wave – this is a new reality. It won’t get back to "normal." Rogue waves and rough patches provide the opportunity for new leaders to emerge. 4 lessons he’s learned at Willow over the past 8 months:

1. Philosophical – We decided as a leadership team that we were going to be THE CHURCH no matter what. Those who have been affected need to depend on the church. Those who haven’t need to step up! Be more generous. When leaders make decisions that put the Church at the center and that make the church be the church, God will show up. When the church is the church there is nothing more powerful. They’ve seen record numbers of volunteerism and record numbers of baptisms (over 1000 in the last 3 months). Philosophically they decided to let the church be the church no matter what.
2. Financial – Making this decision in the midst of a recession is complicated – the math makes no sense. We’re forced to walk more by faith than by sight. When the needs move towards the revenue coming in, it gets nerve racking. Cash Reserves are important – they buy you time when crisis hits. 25% of annual revenue is a good place to start for long term reserves.
   • If you have to reduce staff – be generous and be honest (give the real reasons why) and give lots of notice.
   • One of the things they do at WC is only use 50% of their revenue for staff – this forces them to emphasize volunteers. 10% they give away around the world. 10% they use for what they call “winds of the spirit” (this is a sort of slush fund). 15% ministry budgets for the staff. 15% to facilities/utilities/debt/insurance, etc.
   • During an economic downturn, people are very open to biblical money management. Don’t shy away from it.
   • People will still give generously and sacrificially to a white-hot kingdom vision.
   • Hab 3:2
3. People/Relational – What are the key seats in your church? Are they filled with the right people? Are you developing backup people for each of the key seats?
4. Personal – this has been a painful lesson. “the pace at which I’m doing the work of God is destroying the work of God in me.” This is something he wrote in his journal many years ago when he almost burned out of ministry altogether. We have to implement adequate replenishment strategies for this new reality.
   • Need to make sure that we’re still listening to God. His Word still needs to be primary. We can’t sacrifice the Word of God because the crisis demands immediate attention. The best thing we bring to the table every day is a gospel perspective.

Closing Question – what do your colleagues and followers see when they look at you these days? Do they see someone who is exhausted and fearful? Or someone who is joyful and excited – expectant of God to do great things?

Leave it to Mark Driscoll to tell it like it is and give all of us something to think about in light of this historic election. “Yes We Can”? Check out his recent (and short) article, In God We Do Not Trust.

There were three other panelists besides myself – a Wiccan priestess, a female minister from the United Church of Christ, and the male United Methodist minister.

Here are some of the questions that I remember in my words and not the words of the student who asked them. Overall there were about 10 questions and each of the four panelists gave their opinion on each:

1. Is sex different for clergy?
2. Does the Bible tell us the “rules” about sex?
3. Do you think a woman can be liberated by “opening her legs to the world”?
4. What do you think about same-sex marriage?

So how would you have answered these? I’d be curious to hear. I’m not going to share my answers here – if you are curious how I answered something, feel free to ask. What I am going to share is how I came across to the students. The professor did something very cool: at the end of the class period she had all the students take out a piece of paper and write to one of us – thanking us and giving us some feedback.

What stands out to me as I read these comments is the number of women who wrote their note to me. There were a lot of men in the class, but only one or two of these notes (including #2) were from men. The other thing that stands out to me is how much I was misquoted below. There was a lot of content during that hour and I’m not sure all of these notes reflect things I said or someone else!

These first seven are my favorites:

I would like to not only thank you full-heartedly for coming to our class and sharing your views, but also for your insight and articulate responses. I felt that you were by for the best panel member, and offered the most intelligent and thoughtful responses. I am not a practicing Christian, but your views seem very similar to mine. You are intelligent and I am extremely thankful that there are people like you out there guiding others (it helps to balance the crazies).

Thank you for your honest insight relating to the internet and how porn has created a false reality amongst young men/women. I had never really looked at it like that but it certainly makes sense.

Thank you for sharing your perspective with the class. I was most impressed with your discussion of the reality of sexuality; the longing for connection inherent in sexuality is not necessarily satisfied in the basic act of sex. This was very helpful to me.

You taught me that not all pastors feel the same about sex or the stigma surrounding pastors & sex –> the stigma that basically it is not talked about in religion. Thank you.

I appreciated your sentiment that the most important thing to consider is “Love God and Love your neighbor.” Thank you for being willing to put yourself in this interesting situation for our benefit.

Thanks so much for coming to our class. Your insight on your views with examples from your personal life really were great and made it feel like we were talking to our peers rather than someone from a higher standard. Thanks again!

I appreciated your openness and honesty. I feel like, though, we would disagree dogmatically. We are no threat to each other’s social or emotional security. This may sound very technical, but it is very significant to me, and I hope you can appreciate that.

I appreciated the openness you had and the more social approach you took towards the panel. You related your views to our demographic.

Thank you for taking the time to come to our class and talk honestly with us about some probably difficult questions. I appreciated your openness and learned a lot from what you had to share. Thank you!

It’s nice to see a church that is accepting of everyone and who embraces our culture as it is today, not how it was in the past.

I am so glad you were on our panel today. I truly valued your responses to the many questions and your responses really resonated with me. I also appreciate you being extremely open with us about your views and your personal life. You connected well with the audience. Thank you very much for coming and providing your insight.

I appreciate your openness to situations and different views. I learned that love and sex should be expressed through community and I agree completely so thank you.

I enjoyed how open you were. It made me much more accepting to hear what you and the other panelists had to say. So thanks!

Thank you for being here and being honest with your answers! Your honesty was definitely appreciated. Thank you!

I agree with your view that sex is an act of self-expression of the fundamental values you love in another person and of self-love as well. I agree that it is a physical act in response to mental values and love. Also, I agree there must be a meaningful commitment. Thank you.

Thank you for sharing your thoughts with my class – I felt you articulated your thoughts well. I think I would like to visit your church if you are a representation of the persons who attend. May you find a place in the universe today to glean hope.

Thank you so much for coming and putting yourself on the line. It was very insightful listening to you all! You have a lot of courage for talking about your beliefs and that of your church. You were a great speaker. Thanks again, very much appreciated!

When you were talking about what you get from the Bible and that it is not a list of what not to do – that really helped validate my feelings towards the religion I was raised with.

Good luck with your new church. Your enthusiasm is very convincing and powerful. Keep it up and you will see results. Be resourceful and good luck again.

Thank you for being so open and honest with our class. I feel you shared a lot with us that most people could not express. Thank you so much!